Comments on: IP Rights? http://dionaea.com/blog/archives/2005/07/03/ip-rights/ My thoughts and whatever about random topics. Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:51:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Bob http://dionaea.com/blog/archives/2005/07/03/ip-rights/#comment-575 Bob Fri, 23 Sep 2005 02:44:11 +0000 http://dionaea.com/blog/archives/2005/07/03/ip-rights/#comment-575 Opera no longer has targeted ads. In fact, it is now completely <strong>free</strong>. Opera no longer has targeted ads. In fact, it is now completely free.

]]> By: Svein KÃ¥re http://dionaea.com/blog/archives/2005/07/03/ip-rights/#comment-156 Svein KÃ¥re Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:18:37 +0000 http://dionaea.com/blog/archives/2005/07/03/ip-rights/#comment-156 You are of course free to do as you want with your own sites, as is everyone else. I don't deny that. But I can't see that Opera or Google are doing anything wrong (except maybe Google not removing your pages from its index when you deny the robot from traversing them in the robots.txt file - but that's a purely Google problem.) If Opera/Google is misusing content or not is therefore only a personal opinion, which we know varies. If banning Opera (or trying to) is a smart move or not - that's something anyone will have to decide for themselves, if the positive sides outweighs the negative sides. Personally, while I can see the concerns, I don't agree with them and don't see any positive effects of banning a browser. Only lots of negative effects. But you knew that. ;-) You are of course free to do as you want with your own sites, as is everyone else. I don’t deny that. But I can’t see that Opera or Google are doing anything wrong (except maybe Google not removing your pages from its index when you deny the robot from traversing them in the robots.txt file - but that’s a purely Google problem.) If Opera/Google is misusing content or not is therefore only a personal opinion, which we know varies.

If banning Opera (or trying to) is a smart move or not - that’s something anyone will have to decide for themselves, if the positive sides outweighs the negative sides.

Personally, while I can see the concerns, I don’t agree with them and don’t see any positive effects of banning a browser. Only lots of negative effects. But you knew that. ;-)

]]> By: Bob http://dionaea.com/blog/archives/2005/07/03/ip-rights/#comment-155 Bob Fri, 08 Jul 2005 02:44:33 +0000 http://dionaea.com/blog/archives/2005/07/03/ip-rights/#comment-155 Opera's banner does not overlay any of the sites or ads on them, it is running in <b>user space</b>, not yours. It is not website owners' business what is running in user space. Nothing prevents me from running a <b>separate</b> application that would do the same thing as Opera does. No request is sent to the site itself. Also, you may be interested in this: http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2005_06.php#003765 Opera’s banner does not overlay any of the sites or ads on them, it is running in user space, not yours.

It is not website owners’ business what is running in user space. Nothing prevents me from running a separate application that would do the same thing as Opera does. No request is sent to the site itself.

Also, you may be interested in this:
http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2005_06.php#003765

]]> By: Ken Barbalace http://dionaea.com/blog/archives/2005/07/03/ip-rights/#comment-154 Ken Barbalace Thu, 07 Jul 2005 00:38:47 +0000 http://dionaea.com/blog/archives/2005/07/03/ip-rights/#comment-154 In regards to comments about blocking Mediapartners-Google bot; on some of my sites, I have been blocking this bot for over 18 months using both the robots.txt file AND .htaccess file, yet Google is still serving content sensitive ads to Opera. Although Google is unable to index these sites it is simply relying on the cached (e.g. copied) versions of those sites. Short of blocking Opera, there is NO method available to webmasters that successfully stops the content targeted ads. The argument of whether Opera is targeting the ads or Google is targeting the ads is irrelevant, Opera is as culpable as anybody. Just as one can not claim innocence in a murder because it was their hit man who pulled the trigger, Opera can not claim innocence in the targeting of ads simply because Google does it on their behalf. Regardless of the details of the world's various copyright laws, the following facts remain: 1) I created and thus own the content in question. 2) I pay for the server that hosts my content. 3) I pay for the bandwidth required to deliver my content from my server to the Internet backbone. Thus, I pay for the bandwidth the bots consume to index my site for the purposes of providing content sensitive ads, and the bandwidth necessary to deliver my content to users. 4) Since I own the content, pay for the server to host said content and pay for the bandwidth to deliver said content, I have the "right" to decide what software applications, my server will or will not accept requests from. If I decide not to provide my content to software programs that attempt to profit off of my content in a manner I do not find acceptable, it is my "right." Opera via Google is consuming my resources and using my content to target ads that in some cases compete with my ads or in other cases promote my competitors inline with my content to generate corporate profits. As such, I have decided that Opera's content sensitive ads are an unacceptable misuse of my resources and content. This is why I do not allow the Opera web browser to access my content. Until which point in time Opera either discontinues the use of content targeted ads, or provides me the ability to prevent Opera from displaying content targeted ads, without having a negative impact on my other operations, I will continue to prevent Opera from accessing my content. In regards to comments about blocking Mediapartners-Google bot; on some of my sites, I have been blocking this bot for over 18 months using both the robots.txt file AND .htaccess file, yet Google is still serving content sensitive ads to Opera. Although Google is unable to index these sites it is simply relying on the cached (e.g. copied) versions of those sites. Short of blocking Opera, there is NO method available to webmasters that successfully stops the content targeted ads.

The argument of whether Opera is targeting the ads or Google is targeting the ads is irrelevant, Opera is as culpable as anybody. Just as one can not claim innocence in a murder because it was their hit man who pulled the trigger, Opera can not claim innocence in the targeting of ads simply because Google does it on their behalf.

Regardless of the details of the world’s various copyright laws, the following facts remain:

1) I created and thus own the content in question.

2) I pay for the server that hosts my content.

3) I pay for the bandwidth required to deliver my content from my server to the Internet backbone. Thus, I pay for the bandwidth the bots consume to index my site for the purposes of providing content sensitive ads, and the bandwidth necessary to deliver my content to users.

4) Since I own the content, pay for the server to host said content and pay for the bandwidth to deliver said content, I have the “right” to decide what software applications, my server will or will not accept requests from. If I decide not to provide my content to software programs that attempt to profit off of my content in a manner I do not find acceptable, it is my “right.”

Opera via Google is consuming my resources and using my content to target ads that in some cases compete with my ads or in other cases promote my competitors inline with my content to generate corporate profits. As such, I have decided that Opera’s content sensitive ads are an unacceptable misuse of my resources and content. This is why I do not allow the Opera web browser to access my content.

Until which point in time Opera either discontinues the use of content targeted ads, or provides me the ability to prevent Opera from displaying content targeted ads, without having a negative impact on my other operations, I will continue to prevent Opera from accessing my content.

]]> By: Axel http://dionaea.com/blog/archives/2005/07/03/ip-rights/#comment-152 Axel Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:48:50 +0000 http://dionaea.com/blog/archives/2005/07/03/ip-rights/#comment-152 This reasoning is flawless, thanks for such a lucid and well-balanced post. This is all much ado about nothing anyway - you can just put a robots.txt file on your page asking google not to index it - problem gone. But will the person bitching about this do that? Noooo - because then his page wouldn't show up in google and no-one would go there. He reaps the goods Google offers (indexing his page) and does not want to give anything in return (Google using what it learns from indexing his page). That's deplorable. This reasoning is flawless, thanks for such a lucid and well-balanced post. This is all much ado about nothing anyway - you can just put a robots.txt file on your page asking google not to index it - problem gone.
But will the person bitching about this do that? Noooo - because then his page wouldn’t show up in google and no-one would go there. He reaps the goods Google offers (indexing his page) and does not want to give anything in return (Google using what it learns from indexing his page). That’s deplorable.

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